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Monday, February 02, 2009
A Crazy Dream, a Praying Squad of Women Peacemakers & The First Woman President in Africa
I dropped my jaw in awe, amazement, heartbreak and inspiration reading this article about a woman's "Crazy Dream," and the movement she led of praying, protesting, peacemaking women reaching across the Christian-Muslim divide to end violence in Liberia and ultimately leading to exile of a corrupt leader and the the first African Woman President in Office.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/31/opinion/31herbert.html?emc=eta1

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posted by Jemila Kwon at 12:33 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 5 comments
Sunday, January 18, 2009
What Would You Like To Inagurate?
"One. Trillion. Dollars."

TIME says that's Obama's take on what we are called to invest to kick-start the U.S. economy.

On Tuesday Barack Obama will take the next step in expressing his vision for this country and inviting us to celebrate and invest in that vision. And when the dude says invest, he is talking about your heart, your mind and yes your your share in one trillion dollars. It will be the inaguration of a ginormous investment. Invest almost enough and you may get modest improvements or even continued loss...Invest fully and appropriately to the situation and you may live to see a fabulous rising of what was dead (can we say that last 8 years!) into new life.

Like, can you imagine a half-dead Jesus limping down off the cross?

Invest Fully and something may come alive in you that was dead before. What could it be?

What is the spirit inviting you to inagurate in your life? What investment would it take to kick-start your Life?

What's state of the union between you and Spirit like in your inner economy: downturn or upturn? What would make YOU a full-out expression of the Creator's greatness as you look toward inagurating a new day in our country's history and a new day in the living herstory of God's Life in YOU?

Happy Inaguration Ladies (and you nice guys out there who like EW),

Love & Peace,
Jemila K

www.leapcoachinc.com

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posted by Jemila Kwon at 3:20 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 2 comments
Wednesday, November 12, 2008
Elections, Sexism, and Sarah Palin
In the recent US Presidential election, we experienced both the closest the glass ceiling has ever come to being shattered as well as evidence that sexism is alive and well in our country today. I was intrigued by Jim Wallis's recent post at God's Politics where he implored the nation to not use sexist criteria for judging Sarah Palin post-election. He wrote -
Basing post-election analysis on Gov. Palin’s wardrobe, insults to her family, and whether or not she answered the door in a towel is sexist.

If Obama had lost this campaign, no journalist would be commenting on the color of Joe Biden’s ties or the Scranton native’s trips to Brooks Brothers. On this blog we have already started a discussion around the many opportunities our country has for reconciliation. This can occur not just around race but also gender and the many other things that divide us.

Go ahead. Disagree with her politics and her policies. There are a lot of people who are going to get into some healthy fights about the future of the Republican Party. But like her or not, to reduce Sarah Palin to her wardrobe is wrong and is a great way to start this post-election season off on the wrong foot.


Almost as if on cue, the comments to his post do exactly what he was warning against delving into such controversial topics as whether or not mothers should work outside the home. What has your experience been this election cycle with sexism? Do you think the glass ceiling will ever be shattered?

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posted by Julie at 3:32 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 7 comments
Saturday, September 13, 2008
50/50 -RED/BLUE??? How about you.
Many commentators (on both sides of the political spectrum) claim the U.S. is divided pretty much 50/50 -- Republican and Democrat. The elections are simply tight elections... both sides get panicky, and yes, nasty.

You know, I just have not heard the terms "Red States and Blue States" as much as last Presidential election. Have you?

Could this be because the lines are different now because of the issues or maybe because of the candidates, or maybe something else?
I wonder are the lines blurring this time... and also some people jumping to the side they didn't before, etc?
Any thoughts?

AND Do YOU think this country is 50/50?

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posted by LisaColónDeLay at 8:16 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 12 comments
Saturday, August 30, 2008
Sarah - Breaking the Glass Ceiling
Will Sarah Palin be the worlds's most powerful woman? She could be one heart beat away.
With either ticket, barriers are coming down, and that's good to see.

The glass is breaking in the ceiling.

Here is an interesting link mp3 from PBS from Alaskans on the unknown and interesting woman who could be VP. Pros and cons.




So, McCain throws a big curve ball.
Politics just got more interesting.

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posted by LisaColónDeLay at 8:25 AM ¤ Permalink ¤ 18 comments
Monday, June 09, 2008
Hillary's Speech
My apologies to our non-US readers for the political post, but I thought this could be of interest to many of us here.

Over the weekend Hillary Clinton conceded the Democratic primary to Obama. I know that in the US this was a bitter battle and emotions run high when the "Hillary topic" arises. But whatever your politics or opinion of her, I thought her words on what it meant to be a woman running for President of the USA were significant.
Together, Sen. Obama and I achieved milestones essential to our progress as a nation, part of our perpetual duty to form a more perfect union. A woman running for president, I always gave the same answer, that I was proud to be running as a woman, but I was running because I thought I'd be the best president. But ...

But I am a woman and, like millions of women, I know there are still barriers and biases out there, often unconscious, and I want to build an America that respects and embraces the potential of every last one of us.

I ran as a daughter who benefited from opportunities my mother never dreamed of. I ran as a mother who worries about my daughter's future and a mother who wants to leave all children brighter tomorrows.

To build that future I see, we must make sure that women and men alike understand the struggles of their grandmothers and their mothers, and that women enjoy equal opportunities, equal pay and equal respect.

Let us resolve and work toward achieving very simple propositions: There are no acceptable limits, and there are no acceptable prejudices in the 21st century in our country.

You can be so proud that, from now on, it will be unremarkable for a woman to win primary state victories unremarkable to have a woman in a close race to be our nominee, unremarkable to think that a woman can be the president of the United States. And that is truly remarkable, my friends.

To those who are disappointed that we couldn't go all of the way, especially the young people who put so much into this campaign, it would break my heart if, in falling short of my goal, I in any way discouraged any of you from pursuing yours.

Always aim high, work hard and care deeply about what you believe in. And, when you stumble, keep faith. And, when you're knocked down, get right back up and never listen to anyone who says you can't or shouldn't go on.

As we gather here today in this historic, magnificent building, the 50th woman to leave this Earth is orbiting overhead. If we can blast 50 women into space, we will someday launch a woman into the White House.

Although we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it, and the light is shining through like never before, filling us all with the hope and the sure knowledge that the path will be a little easier next time.

That has always been the history of progress in America. Think of the suffragists who gathered at Seneca Falls in 1848 and those who kept fighting until women could cast their votes.

Think of the abolitionists who struggled and died to see the end of slavery. Think of the civil rights heroes and foot soldiers who segregation and Jim Crow.

Because of them, I grew up taking for granted that women could vote, and, because of them, my daughter grew up taking for granted that children of all colors could go to school together.

Because of them, Barack Obama and I could wage a hard-fought campaign for the Democratic nomination. Because of them and because of you, children today will grow up taking for granted that an African-American or a woman can, yes, become the president of the United States. And so when that day arrives, and a woman takes the oath of office as our president, we will all stand taller, proud of the values of our nation, proud that every little girl can dream big and that her dreams can come true in America.

And all of you will know that, because of your passion and hard work, you helped pave the way for that day.

So I want to say to my supporters: When you hear people saying or think to yourself "if only" or "what if," I say, please, don't go there. Every moment wasted looking back keeps us from moving forward.


You can read her whole speech here. So what do you think? Will such things ever become "unremarkable"?

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posted by Julie at 2:41 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 52 comments
Thursday, May 22, 2008
Should the votes count? weigh in
What do you think . . . ?

Should the Democratic votes cast in Florida and Michigan count?

What do you think the DNC will do?

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posted by LisaColónDeLay at 1:21 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 8 comments
Monday, February 18, 2008
Is the EC Endorsing Obama?
To what extent is the Emerging/Emergent church endorsing Barak Obama as the Democratic candidate for this year's election in the U.S.?

I've heard some Christians (who do not label themselves as Emergent/Emerging) say that they've seen a lot of this lately. I can't say that I have, but maybe that's because I don't read most of the official Emerging blogs? Have you noticed this trend? If so, what do you think of it?

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posted by Lydia at 1:56 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 12 comments
Monday, November 19, 2007
Educate the Women, Save the World
I recently came across a fascinating article in Ode Magazine entitled The Transformation of an Extremist. The article tells the story of a former Taliban freedom fighter who has now committed his life to educating girls. He was part of the violent Taliban regime until 9/11 when the magnitude of innocent deaths caused him to flee that life. But he soon realized that just leaving the Taliban wasn't enough to stop the ideology of terrorism. To counter terrorist propaganda, education would be necessary. About that the article states -
Education was the only antidote to the terrorists’ rhetoric. Kashmiris’ ignorance of the outside world, combined with desperate poverty, made them especially vulnerable to manipulation.

“These people who are not going to school, that’s the basis of terrorism,” Ali says. “Any person can use them against our country. It’s sectarianism due to illiteracy.” Ali is convinced educating girls in particular is the only way his country will change. Female literacy in the villages runs at about 4 percent. But educated girls will become educated mothers, argues Ali, and insist on education for their children, which could set the nation on a new track...

“It will spoil the next 15 to 20 years if the children grow up illiterate. They will be big troublemakers. But if they are educated, they can use dialogue and negotiation; they can distinguish between propaganda and reality. We are responsible for that before God.”


Although education may not be the fix for ending manipulation through propaganda (just look at the USA), it at least gives people the tools to think for themselves and know that other options are possible. I thought this article represented a good message of hope for a better world.

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posted by Julie at 1:05 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 3 comments
Monday, October 15, 2007
The Abortionist's Wife
I wrote a piece called The Abortionist's Wife which can be viewed at the theooze
The article was on quirkygrace for a little while, but I accidentally deleted it and then Lydia asked if she could post the piece on the ooze, so that's where it ended up :) I wrote the piece following a pizza party at the home of one of David's med school professors, who performs late term abortions, as well as many lifesaving procedures for mothers and developing children. Let me know what you think.

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posted by Jemila Kwon at 10:10 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 1 comments
Sunday, September 23, 2007
Women in Charge
So I finally got around to watching the TV shows I TiVod last week and saw Jon Stewart's interview with Bill Clinton on The Daily Show (watch the clip here). What struck me were the cultural assumptions about gender that clip revealed (and yes I know this is a satire show and those assumptions were most likely deliberate).

Stewart of course had to talk to Bill Clinton about his wife's presidential run. My point here isn't about if Hillary should or shouldn't be president, but the gender assumptions associated with that. During the whole segment, Stewart kept pushing Bill to talk about how weird it would be to have his wife in a position of power over him. Stewart made pillow talk jokes, and implied that one's manhood would be in question if one's wife were to be president. Bill to his credit did everything he could to avoid those paths Stewart was trying to lead him down.

Now I know that the Bill and Hillary thing is different in a way because she is running for the position he once held and all that, but the gender assumptions aren't limited to their relationship. Even when Bill was president people took offense that Hillary played such an involved role in politics. Unlike other First Ladies she wasn't just a pretty accessory who shows off the White house Holiday decorations to the press and occasionally gets involved in "good causes." I remember frequently seeing bumper stickers that went something along the lines of "Impeach President Clinton and Her Husband Too!" Now I was not a Clinton fan at the time, but I still found those bumper stickers offensive for the assumptions they made about women, especially women in power.

The idea is that there is something wrong about a woman being in a position of political power. Some men think it is a challenge to their manhood to answer to a woman. If anyone watched the TV series Commander in Chief a couple of years ago you saw this theme played out (well at least after the point in the season where Rod Lurie was removed from creative control and they started pursuing stupid plots like that...) In that show, when a woman (by accident not election) became president, her husband entered an identity crisis and basically abandoned his family so he could prove himself. This is the American idea of what it would mean for a woman to lead. The focus is less on her abilities and qualifications, and more on her sexuality and its impact on men.

Now I fully understand that people don't support Hillary for a number of reasons other than her gender, but as the campaign continues it is disheartening to see the gender card continue to be played against her. Is the country really still so sexist and afraid of women in positions of power? What will it take to truly get beyond that? For those of you in other countries (especially those that have elected women as heads of state) do you see a different dynamic at play?
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posted by Julie at 6:24 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 9 comments
Sunday, July 08, 2007
Hunger and Generosity

My friend pat found this wonderful article about Robert Egger, respected and admired as founder of D.C. Central Kitchen and longtime revolutionary in the war against hunger, recently won the food industry's Duke Zeibert Capital Achievement Award for his humanitarian work. Tamara Jones interviewed him for the Washington Post. Here are some of his thoughts on generosity, change and current trends in charity and hunger. You can read the full article here.


Do 20-somethings give? Is there an age when people start giving?

Both the economy and the attitudes of the younger generation are going to shift. They see their time as philanthropy.

Is there a glamour factor to that, too?

This is one of my major concerns, that what we've really kind of devolved into is almost cause-of-the-year, what's popular, who has the best pitch.

Who's where in the caste system that you see emerging right now?

You have all these efforts to feed hungry children when the reality is there are probably more hungry seniors in America than there are children. These are men and women who fought World War II. These are men and women who led the civil rights struggle. These are men and women who built our roads and a million other things that we owe them a debt of gratitude for, yet we refuse to even deal with the issue of senior hunger in America...And with all due respect, we've been putting children first for 40 years and I don't see any indication that that strategy has really worked.

What's different today from when you started doing this nearly 20 years ago?

When I first opened the kitchen, restaurants donated a huge amount of food. Caterers donated a huge amount of food. And they just don't anymore. The science of food service has shifted in just 15 years. . . . At the end of the day, it's efficient, it's smart, and yeah, we shouldn't waste food, but is that the country we want? Do we want to feed leftover food to working women? The reality is, if you had to pick the face of hunger in America, it's a woman with two kids and a steady job, and she is doing everything right, but at $8, $9, $10, even $12 an hour, that's not enough to pay rent, put gas in the car, get shoes for the kids and pay for food. And we know -- we know -- at the end of the month, she's going to come up short. We have to step out of this charity model, and as nonprofits, we have to start being involved in the political discourse. Hunger's not about food. It's so much bigger.

How do you define generosity?

So much of what we do is still about the redemption of the giver, not the liberation of the receiver. What I'm interested in is the liberation of the receiver. That's how I look at generosity. Generosity isn't giving something so I feel good about myself, although that's okay. I'm always amazed when people come in to volunteer at the kitchen and realize they're having a good time, that it's not ashes and sackcloth...

I worked for this charity that would send money to Bangladesh to save pagan babies. And now, some 30 years later, they're sending back microfinance. Muhammad Yunnis, founder of the Grameen Bank, just won the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for lifting 100 million people out of poverty through small loans. That's the difference between charity and change! Now I'm about to take his model of economic empowerment and apply it to D.C. by launching a street-food business that'll rock this city to the core by giving people who graduate from the kitchen's training program a chance to own their own carts.

Should one segment of the population be prioritized over another? Is this a case of discrimination against seniors? Do we feel better about ourselves for feeding children because they are cuter than old people, even if the elderly are just as vulnerable? How should our giving reflect both mercy and justice? How can we honor the dignity of vulnerable people with being patronizing toward them? How can we change create a more just society for ALL people that balances individual freedom with community responsibility?




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posted by Jemila Kwon at 7:22 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 4 comments
Wednesday, July 04, 2007
Bush and The Obstruction of Justice
Check out this Olbermann video. I'd love to hear comments on what your thoughts are both on the video's content and if you feel there is a prophetic role for God's people in holding our President accountable. If so, any practical suggestions?

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posted by Jemila Kwon at 4:12 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 9 comments
Tuesday, July 03, 2007
This is sadness.
Below is a post from my blog. I thought I'd share it here at Emerging Women since it really effects women worldwide. I encourage you to view the documentary that I've linked to in the post too.

My prayers are with women all over the world who don't enjoy the amazing freedom that we have.

Heather.

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What's wrong with a court, with the world, when a 14 year old girl is sentenced to 60 lashes for "adultery" and "illegally staying together in a private place without being related", and the man in question is acquitted due to lack of evidence?

Everything.

The story is here if you can stomach it.

I was watching an incredible documentary last night on SBS - Chahinaz: What Rights For Women? [the entire program can be viewed online] It highlighted the laws and customs worldwide that make it difficult for women to be seen as equal in the eyes of men. In fact, in a conversation she had in her own country (Algeria), a male university student said that he basically agreed (with the equality of women), but added that would want his own wife "at home looking after my children rather than running a building site." Even though he agreed that women are equal in concept, he could never translate it into his own life. That says a lot.

I'm certainly no militant womens libber. My husband is the primary wage-earner in my family. I work part time, but I am the primary care-giver to our children and the primary house-cleaner/supermarket-shopper/errand-runner etc. We have a fairly "traditional" model. But conversely, if I found a great job that I loved, that earned enough to keep us, my husband would happily leave his job to take on my current role. If I wanted to own my own property I could. If I want to go on holiday I can. If I want to further my education, the options are there. If I desire to take on another religion or faith, I have every right. If I want to meet with an unrelated male in a "private place", even though my husband would likely not be too pleased, I would not be subject to sixty lashes in a public square. Therein lies the inequality that so desperately needs to be addressed.

God created male and female. Even the bible, in Galatians, written at a time of complete patriarchy, very clearly agrees that there should be no distinction as far as the way we treat one another.

It pains me to see women so clearly oppressed and mistreated. The above is an extreme example, but it shouldn't happen. Ever.
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posted by Heather at 1:40 AM ¤ Permalink ¤ 9 comments
Monday, June 11, 2007
Equal Pay?
I found this interesting. What are your thoughts?


Editorial -Sterile thinking on pay equity
Published June 4, 2007

Under federal law, it's illegal for employers to discriminate on the basis of sex, so Lilly Ledbetter should have had a good claim against Goodyear Tire & Rubber.

When she started at its Gadsden, Ala., plant in 1979, she was paid the same as her male colleagues, but by the time she left in 1998, she was the only woman at her management level and was making less than the lowest-paid man. A federal court found she had been wronged. She was awarded $360,000.But last week the Supreme Court, by a 5-4 vote, said it didn't matter whether her employer broke the law. The Civil Rights Act of 1964, it noted in an opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito, says any claims must be filed within 180 days of the discriminatory act. The decisions that had the effect of shortchanging her had been made more than six months before she filed her suit. So she was out of luck.

Time limits for civil rights cases make sense, so that companies don't have to defend themselves against charges that should have been raised long ago, instead of postponed until evidence has vanished and memories have faded. The problem here is not the notion of applying the time limit to Ledbetter, but the way the court applied it. It essentially said that the pay discrimination occurs only when a biased decision is made and never mind the repeated later occasions when it is translated into actual compensation.

Ledbetter, by contrast, made the eminently sensible argument that each paycheck she got reflected ongoing discrimination, a view shared by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which supported her suit. In her dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg agreed.

"Our precedent suggests, and lower courts have overwhelmingly held, that the unlawful practice is the current payment of salaries infected by gender-based [or race-based] discrimination -- a practice that occurs whenever a paycheck delivers less to a woman than to a similarly situated man," she wrote. Under the court's decision, she said with justified amazement, "knowingly carrying past discrimination forward must be treated as lawful conduct."

The majority's sterile reading of the statute ignores the realities on the ground. A woman who is fired on the basis of sex knows she has been fired. But a woman who suffers pay discrimination may not discover it until years later, because employers often keep pay scales confidential. The consequence of the ruling will be to let a lot of discrimination go unpunished.

Unless, of course, Congress acts to revise the law to reflect the dictates of common sense. Democratic leaders in both houses have already announced their plans to do exactly that. The court's decision was a mistake. Congress should waste no time correcting it.

Copyright © 2007, Chicago Tribune


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posted by Julie at 5:43 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 5 comments
Tuesday, June 05, 2007
Being Aware of the Human Toll
The human toll of the Iraq war is often untold. Here in America we rarely hear (or care) about the death of US soldiers and the post-war shaft they've been given much less the toll the war has taken on Iraqis. I recently came across an article though that highlighted the plight of Iraqi women. As more and more Iraqis flee the continuing violence in their country, they are forced to leave everything they hold dear behind - including the luxury of morality. Amongst the women who have fled to Syria, a scary number of very young girls who once wore the hijab have found prostitution to be their family's only hope of survival. Some of these girls are forced or tricked into prostitution, but others find its the only way their families can live. The country is destroyed, the families are destroyed, and now a way of life is being sacrificed. The effects of war on women are always the hardest, and we need to force ourselves to be aware of the plight of our sisters.

Read the full story here.

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posted by Julie at 9:27 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 6 comments
Saturday, February 24, 2007
Revealing Our Bias
This recent Gallop poll is all over the internet, so I thought EW might as well weigh in on it.



I do realize that a few of those categories correspond to actual current candidates, and my intent is not to start a political debate, but to perhaps examine the causes for this. How deep do our prejudices, hated, and fears run?

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posted by Julie at 12:02 AM ¤ Permalink ¤ 8 comments
Wednesday, January 24, 2007
Pledge of Resistance
I found this and thought it was important to share.

Pledge of Resistance:

"We believe that as people living
in the United States it is our
responsibility to resist the injustices
done by our government,
in our names

Not in our name
will you wage endless war
there can be no more deaths
no more transfusions
of blood for oil

Not in our name
will you invade countries
bomb civilians, kill more children
letting history take its course
over the graves of the nameless

Not in our name
will you erode the very freedoms
you have claimed to fight for

Not by our hands
will we supply weapons and funding
for the annihilation of families
on foreign soil

Not by our mouths
will we let fear silence us

Not by our hearts
will we allow whole peoples
or countries to be deemed evil

Not by our will
and Not in our name

We pledge resistance

We pledge alliance with those
who have come under attack
for voicing opposition to the war
or for their religion or ethnicity

We pledge to make common cause
with the people of the world
to bring about justice,
freedom and peace

Another world is possible
and we pledge to make it real."




The Not In Our Name Pledge of Resistance was created collectively by artists and activists in April 2002 as a means of inspiring protest and resistance. It is at the heart of the Not In Our Name Project.

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posted by Jemila Kwon at 10:36 PM ¤ Permalink ¤ 4 comments
Tuesday, January 09, 2007
Mothers ruling the World

So amidst a crowd of children wanting to touch the gavel new Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi took her new position as the third most powerful person in our country - the first women ever to hold that position. The commentary on this event has been everywhere. A few things I found interesting.

In a editorial in Ode Magazine about women in global politics (apparently it's highly likely that by 2009 there will be at least 3 women on the G8) the author looked at the difference women bring to politics. In the past most women in positions of power got to that point by being like men. Margaret Thatcher was often called "the best man on the cabinet." But new leaders like Pelosi are bringing a revolutionary new way of being female in government - as in they are content in being female and aren't afraid to bring their experiences with traditional female roles into the political arena. As seen in the picture Pelosi doesn't hide that yes she is a mother and a grandmother. She will not abandon that identity just because she now has "more important things to do." Which of course helps us see the absurdity of that hierarchy to begin with. She also has chosen to not act like the alpha males in politics. As the editorial said - "At her first press conference after the Democrat's November win, Pelosi spoke in distinctly soft, controlled, feminine tones. Journalists in attendance were visibly frustrated, and Pelosi finally raised her voice, saying, 'But I could use my mother-of-five voice.'" Another interesting perspective is this recent Salon article.

I like the idea of female politicians not having to compromise one more aspect of who they are in order to play the politics game. But will it work? Will women ever get respect if they are not men or pretending to be men? Does it work the same way in the church, or is it only in women embracing the traditional female roles that they are valued in the church? How can we start to let all aspects of life inform each other? A mother in politics (and one that is fully both) - deciding who to (or more importantly whether or not to) torture or send to die in war would be a good balance imho.

What are your thoughts?

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posted by Julie at 10:40 AM ¤ Permalink ¤ 17 comments
Thursday, November 30, 2006
Rick Warren
Pastor Defends Invitation to Obama - AOL News

I saw this on AOL news this morning. News I don't know much about Rick Warren. Obviously, I know who he is, and the famous book. I give him credit for standing next to his invitation. I read some of the comments in response to this. Many of them I agreed with...but of course there were the typical comments like "Democrats can't be Christian's". After a couple of those comments, I decided it was to early for my blood pressure to rise that much. It seems that he is working for unity in this case. It is unfortunate that many Christians are causing problems in this area. The ironic part for me, is when these Christians get into fight mode, all it does is promote the cause they were fighting, even more. I don't get why they don't see that. Anyway, my two cents.

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