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At 6/02/2006 07:48:00 AM, the holly
hello makeesha,
dan kimball has written lots about this "church within a church" phenomenon. happens to also be a great guy. his blog is http://www.dankimball.com/vintage_faith/
tim conder just released a book called _church in transition_ which addresses a church learning this new language of the emerging culture. might be helpful!
its nuts trying to explain things to people in another context. i've been doing it for years. sometimes there is a fun breakthrough; other times there are misunderstandings galore. walk gently and love lots.
peace to you in this crazy journey!
holly
At 6/02/2006 09:57:00 AM, Makeesha
sarah - shorter messages, possibly no messages sometimes, more discussion, more "out in the community" stuff, creative and more artistic worship expression...we will still have the elements that most Christians consider to be "ministry" it just won't look the same. I think what he was really asking was are we going to still be "in the church" doing the work of the ministry or are we going to be doing missional stuff all the time? It's a concern that any pastor from a traditional/modern model is going to have.
holly - I like Kimball, he's friends with the pastor of a church we helped plant a couple years ago. thanks for that tip. The book sounds great too. And you're right, ultimately, people are going to just have to experience/see it to understand.
caroline - awesome! I might have to offline with you a bit about what you're doing. I'm really trying to build my connections of people doing what we're doing. Steve over at Opawa has espresso and I've gotten some good info from him already.
**some of it is that we're really trying to reshape what we consider "church" so while we more closely identify with emerging, we're not necessarily using anything as a "model" per se. Thanks for the feedback :)
At 6/06/2006 07:42:00 PM, Lydia
Hi Makeesha,
I wonder if using some sort of overseas missions analogy would work?
By that I mean, maybe you could explain that you're trying to reach people in a culture that doesn't respond well to some of the old ways of doing church. And right now you're "translating" God into a new culture just like someone who travels to another country to do missions work would have to translate their ways of worshipping God to better reach the other culture.
Or at least you'd hope the missionary would try to do that sort of thing. :O
Just a thought. It's nice to meet you, by the way. :)
Hey Makeesha,
Just wondering...in what way will the "worship set, sermon, pray for people type stuff" look different than what Pastor B has in mind?
~Sarah K.